Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? I think Mary Wiseman is a fantastic actress..the writing for Tilly is an abomination. I dont think Tilly is ruined. It seems like people like her say: this is me. Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. It was so fun. Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. David Ajala: Ive never thought about that. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? Great interview, Dawn. I thought her arc was going to end with her being booted from the service for repeatedly failing physical fitness tests? You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. Saru would then recognize the potential in her, give her opportunities to build her self esteem and confidence, and wed get a good arc that doesnt seem forced like it does now. New episodes ofStarTrek: Discoverypremiere on Thursdays onCBS All Accessin the U.S. andonCTV Sci-Fi Channelin Canada, where its also available to stream onCrave. Happy to have your wit, enthusiasm, & talent as part of the franchise. But its the elephant we have in the room, these days. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? The U.S.S. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. I also know hes basically your favorite Trek author. This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. I do find their quirks annoying at times, but the most important reason I like them is because theyre honest, kind people with a good heart. And a. Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. Hopefully its . David Ajala: I would be very dangerous. I always have to correct it, so its not terribly efficient. I am a therapist in real life, and even *I* think it was crazy that they had a therapist on the bridge. Conversational, easy to listen to and understand every point. Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. Patrick Kwok-Choon is the only one of the bridge officers that doesnt have another regular acting or producer/director role. But Im just happy we are talking about Voyager again, especially since this show is basically a spin off of it! Her character of Cadet Tilly in Star Trek Discovery is warm and positive. I found him quite annoying, myself. Ichebs torture on Picard was horrible and the eating ganglia in S1, yikes! Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. The Terra Firma arc introduced the real Mirror Universe version of Tilly (aka Captain Killy). This is rare case were I actually agree with Lorma. My best advice is to give some of the Litverse books a try and decide for yourself which writers appeal to you. It felt like an organic exit, and with the way that others said goodbye to her, it . You know, like a psychotic murderer? Diplomacy? The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. Tilly is a wonderful incarnation of our inner geekdom, a person you would find at conventions or in fanfiction I love this character so much because she isnt perfect. Like maybe he would be way too codependent or something? Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. That finale appearance was basically a cameo. It was a novelty in his first story and they turned it on its head when he got zapped and made super-smart, but most of the time hes very trying, especially when he gets thrown onto Voyager. Why did they do that? All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. For me, generally speaking, when Barclay or Trois mom appeared it signaled a terrible episode in advance. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. That one ship generates more energy than present-day Earths entire human energy expenditure, generates its own artificial gravity, and violates causality routinely. Im sure many may NOT be a Janeway but could at least look at her and say thats what I aspire to be. I have only heard of the details a few months ago thanks to a video that TrekCentral (amazing YouTube channel) made about it for Prodigy theorizing a connection. Not Mary Wisemans fault; the writers fault. By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building. His Voyager appearances were also horrid. Sad but true, yet we always opt to genuflect in the direction of the elephant. And for your own gain, right? We have no information that Beyer consults in this show. I would ask our family doctor, Is there anything you can give me thatll make me gain weight?'. There are still things that bother me about the new trek too. However, the problem with Tilly (and this really is more of a Star Trek Discovery problem because it exists with every character they do this to) is that she never made strides or attempts to improve. Do you see that tension? It inspired her to switch careers. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. :-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? Tilly once thought being captain was her biggest dream, but after a . During the 1st season, Michael helped Tilly to gain confidence and then continued to nurture that confidence through . 108 comments so far. Shes a geeky, nerdy character, so wonderfully over the top, like so many of us in the fandom. Background information. Not holding my breath hes given the job though, especially since we know Saru is coming back. Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. And yeah the Full Circle stories do sound a bit depressing especially since SPOILER ALERT they kill off Janeway in them! But because of Discovery we have Lower Decks, Picard, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds, Short Treks, possibly Section 31 and the Academy show. But I would like to read some of the TNG books Ive heard about, especially the Destiny series which I know is a big crossover with all the classic shows and the Borg. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. It was a good perspective in S1, and lines up with Star Trek values. I would encourage her to do the same. You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. 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Sense of morals. How blandly Puritan. Mary Wiseman has established herself as a talented actor on Star Trek: Discovery. We never saw her effort to become that person. DSC had many issues at the beginning. To be honest I think she is more attractive than the mostly skinny cast of most series. Even though he is one of the worst characters in Trek, he was the main focus in arguably the best episode of Voyager: Timeless. From what Ive read, having her on the bridge because of her betazed abilities was what Roddenberry had in mind. Youre perfect as you are. Mary Wiseman: That that could be a very powerful person in the Mirror Universe. The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). This is a part of the reason people cant take to them, alongside their poorly written characters. Right!? I really liked her in the first season. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. I guess making Tilly first officer isnt anywhere close to ridiculous as making KT Kirk a Captain who was still a cadet and had probably spent 2 weeks in space before he got the jobbut its pretty damn close. After his first episode or two, I was done with Barclay and was frustrated when he came back, and especially when he showed up on Voyager. That is definitely not a true statement. She is perhaps, the most human character on the show. She doesnt inspire confidence. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. Against all odds, shes in Starfleet and thriving. My lady, you are so fine that I want to have your baby. I dont understand this at all. She also revealed some of her inspirations for this version of Tilly: There is a little Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender in there. She makes it all look so easy. Thats undeniable. Tilly is a Harry Kim, Wesley Crusher, Travis Mayweather sort of character at least for me. By: TrekMovie.com Staff Its all relative, but I dont see a lot of actors being body-shamed. Yes, The Expanse. Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. That sort of thing contributes to some pretty hardcore dysmorphia sure, they are famous and have luxuries and money so many of us dont, but hearing stories like how Carrie Fisher was told she should lose weight to be able to reprise Leia, or how Kumail Nanjani is scarily fixated on his physical appearance now is sad. should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). The show will roll out on Paramount Plus in the US, and is expected to stream on Netflix elsewhere. Why do you think being nervous or anxious means that you can not graduate from the academy? Yes! Age is affecting my memory haha. Tilly, played by Mary Wiseman on Star Trek Discovery is not pregnant. I see other people mentioning the books on Reddit and Youtube because of the new show obviously. For people who dont know, it had to do with Voyager leading a fleet of ships going back to the Delta Quadrant a few years after Voyager arrived home. . Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. She would have flushed out of SFA in her first year. Contents 1 Early life 2 Starfleet career 2.1 USS Discovery 2.1.1 The war 2.1.2 Post-war 2.1.3 32nd century 3 Personal relationships 3.1 Friendships We want people to get their facts from reliable health sources, not celebrities, so saying actors should be sending some sort of fitness message is just backwards. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. But I really do like Book a lot! And I want to take care of me so I can continue to be me. Because she symbolizes the Trekkies, geeks, nerds. However, we do know that David Mack does. Please back up your statement. It just happened. Why is that a command level position? Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. This is why Discovery is polarising and this is why people four seasons in still dislike Burnham and Tilly as characters. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. This show has been for a niche of Trek fandom not the mainstream. (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? It doesnt look like unhealthy curvy but just different type of genes. She is one of the best things about Discovery. The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous place, and the remnants of species and societies that survived around the edges of the Borg network and incursions were harsh and justifiably skeptical of the Federations. Its one thing thats definitely been improved upon by the more recent stuff. Every Thursday night I yell Black Alert to let everyone know Im watching Star Trek. Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. Definitely not a dig at the actress, she is only delivering what the directors and producers have asked her to deliver. Its odd that the bridge crew still feels in the background although they are being used more. The future doesnt have a preferred accent. Before we move on to SuKal this Thursday, there are still some bits to catch up on from the Terra Firma arc of Star Trek: Discovery. I look at Disco as adding a new flavor to the existing universe. Keep up the great work ladies! Along with this, the biggest thing that Michael aided Tilly with was her confidence. It is not others right to tell someone how their body should be that sort of thing was done with slaves. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. The episode, titled "All Is Possible,". Tilly is justannoying. Jerks. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. Good for her, and I love the character! It just came to me and wanted your opinion. I lovvvve Lilly/Tilly and her curves. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. But its at least nice they came to their senses with that ridiculous story turn (unlike Kirk). Only showing up for briefings when that specialty was needed for that particular situation. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. Jake is about 45-50 and one of the two lead characters. If anything is being celebrated, or, at the very least, encouraged, its simple human decency and not judging people by physical attributes alone. I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. Actress Mary Wiseman did a series of media . Events in David Macks two books towards the end of that series ( A Time to Kill and A Time to Heal) have a profound impact throughout the rest of the Litverse. A person who we see strive to make themselves a better person. After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. Overweight is a risk of becoming obese. Its intolerance in its most basic form, and anyone who engages in, advocates for, or turns a blind eye and deaf ear to it are examples of the worst humanity has to offer, and most certainly have no business calling themselves a Star Trek fan. Like damn the guy's 90 ffs give him a break. You are always very insightful. Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling. PS. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. Tilly is not a perfect officer. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. I KNOW, people say they are great, I was too focused on Star Trek when those were airing, but I might try and give the original show a shot one day. 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